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Sino-US relations survey: Are they strategic partners or archrivals?

This topic has been un-sticky by szh at 2009-12-9 15:04.

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For the most part, all true, but the cyber-spying is downplayed in Chinese media (False) and could be played both ways.  The last one regarding Asia-Pacific (False) should see less domination by the U.S., but more of an even bilaterally agreed arrangement with China as it's influence is spread to match and compliment that of the U.S.  Some of the statements are firmly realistic as the current trends would indicate.  Others leave room for hope and harmony as adjustments on the global chessboard are carried out over time.  In the preface of the survey, it is mentioned that the importance of Sino-US relations and improvement brings the thoughts and opinions of the peoples into question.  The people of both nations sharing common interests in harmonious exchanges will be taken into consideration by the governing powers to work toward a better future for all.  There will always be a percentage from both sides that have negative viewpoints and resist the effort to build trust and unity.  I hope these will eventually be defused to make way for favorable relations and joint benefits of a bilateral constitution.

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There is no friendship between the China and the USA. The USA may speak of friendship but the word has entirely different connotations in American society. In the USA, a "friend" is simply "someone I have already met at least once before." No more.

"Friendship" implies only a willingness to trade tips and help that is entirely convenient to provide. Tell your American friend that your wife has left you, you just lost your job and your unwed daughter is pregnant, then the first response is: "Lemme buy a beer." Indeed, he will pay for three, four or more. Before checking his watch after a while and saying: "Well, gotta go now. Give me a call when you feel better."

Chinese readers may find this definition hard to fathom, but American "friendship" is essentially tactical and superficial.

Especially with foreigners.

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The premise is very Chinese, in that it is about assumptions regarding being a world power, or being a world influence as a nation.  This is an old idea, an idea from the ancient times.  China needs to advance, and these ideas about nationalism are not modern.  A poor man in Shanghai is more in common with a similar man in Chicago than either is with his rich countrymen, for example.  The ideas of nationalism are primitive and backwards, and it marks the Chinese area of influence as primitive and backwards because they think in these terms.

The US is bcoming very advanced.  There are some savages in the US that still consider the US nation as something to be given advantages over others, but these are not in the mainstream.  The mainstream of thought is that the human race advances together or falls behind together, and national boundaries are the chains that enslave the human race. China can never be a leader until they embrace a philosophy that makes all people equal in their sight.  The world will never accept leadership from a group of people who see the world as conflict in the primitive ideas of the 19th century.  When they drop their weapons they will become strong.  While they threaten the world, they will grow weaker.

The US waa not a leader in the 20th century because they were some indignant national power seeking its own advantage, but because their ideas and ethics were of a higher nature and embraced by the world.  What are China's higher ethics that they might teavh the world?  Selfish?  Geedy?  War?  Military threats?  If you want to lead, be something people can admire.  Not a polluted country full of oppression and threats for others.

The US is less of a leader today than 40 years ago.  That is because they are no longer more advanced in kindness and love of mankind as they once were.  That was what made the US a leader - their belief that all men are equal.  That is the belief that changed the world, especially China and other countries who had never heard this kind of philosophy before.  Now, the belief that will change the world is to stop military threats, end national borders, and allow people religious freedom.  Are the Chines leading on these modern, global ideas?  Not at all.  They still act like it was 1940, and the world consists of separate and hostile small-minded countries with fixed borders.  That is not a step forward.  That is not any kind leadership.

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Obama confronts an Asia reshaped by China

Days after coming to power in September, Japan's new prime minister broached forming a new East Asian trading bloc with rival China — one that would exclude the United States.


Some in Washington took it as a snub from the nation that has been America's rock in Asia for decades. Even more, Tokyo's new rhetoric underscored how China's rapid rise to power is challenging Washington's once-dominant sway in the region.


This is the reality President Barack Obama confronts as he departs Thursday for his first Asia trip, perhaps his most challenging overseas journey yet. He'll find a region outgrowing a half-century of U.S. supremacy and questioning America's relevance to its future. More so than Obama's previous foreign trips, this nine-day, four-country tour has the president on something like a salvage mission.


The trip also comes at a delicate time for Obama at home.


He is wrestling with one of the toughest decisions of his 10-month presidency, a war strategy for Afghanistan, and is urging Congress to approve his biggest domestic priority, health care.


Those pressing concerns make it notable that he is spending so much time away — a sign of Asia's importance to the U.S. and the need to tend to relationships there without delay — though he put off his original departure by a day over the weekend because of Thursday's deadly shooting spree at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. Obama will speak to U.S. troops in Alaska and South Korea, with his much-awaited decision on more troops for the Afghanistan war probably still pending.


Obama stops first in Japan, a traditional U.S. stalwart now looking toward closer engagement with China and the rest of Asia. He makes a two-city stop in China, where leaders proud of their country's one-generation leap to prosperity seek a bigger say in shaping the region's affairs.


The president also visits Singapore for a summit of Asia-Pacific leaders, where his participation is being cut by a day, and wraps up his trip in South Korea. Those countries are having to accommodate a more muscular China while wondering whether a U.S. weakened by financial crisis is in decline.


"Asia is changing very fast. It's undergoing a fundamental transition," said Huang Jing, a Chinese politics expert at the National University of Singapore. "This is not the kind of Asia or Asia-Pacific of America's traditional understanding. That old understanding is that America is dominant but friendly to the developing nations and Japan, America's perpetual ally, is No. 1. Asia is now totally different and China is the No. 1, not Japan."


Throughout his travels, starting with a scene-setting speech in Japan, Obama is expected to deliver a message of staunch U.S. commitment to old friends and newer partners alike, promising to help keep what for decades has been one of the fastest growing regions of the world secure and thriving, according to U.S. officials.


In Tokyo, he's likely to call for a reinvigorated alliance with Japan while insisting that new Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama live up to a pending agreement on reconfiguring U.S. military bases. He's scheduled to take part in Beijing in the kind of pomp that Chinese leaders crave as a sign of respect, but also plans an event with Chinese university students aimed at telegraphing U.S. values to a broader Chinese audience.


On the sidelines of the gathering of Asia-Pacific leaders, he'll hold a first-ever summit with Southeast Asia's 10-nation alliance, a grouping whose economies are increasingly tied to a growing China but still are anxious about Chinese power. Included in that meeting will be Myanmar's leader — the first such meeting between a U.S. president and the head of a repressive government formerly shunned by Washington, though now part of a new outreach by the Obama administration.


Throughout, issues like North Korea's and Iran's nuclear programs are likely to be raised repeatedly, though little concrete progress is expected.


While popular in some parts of the region, Obama does not have the rock-star appeal in Asia that he has in Europe and elsewhere. He will have to overcome strong suspicions among Asian leaders that he is more concerned about domestic battles over health care and the economy than about matters like freer trade that are so crucial to Asian nations and U.S. businesses.


Obama comes to Asia "bringing absolutely nothing to the table" on trade, said Michael Green, a White House Asia adviser during the Bush administration and now an analyst at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. Without American leadership on trade, the fear is that the U.S. will be left behind while other nations roar ahead with their own agreements, Green said.


"There is a risk that he will come to Asia for just a star turn and photo opportunities while reserving his strength for other battles. But more is needed and should be expected of him," Simon Tay of the Singapore Institute for International Affairs said.


After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the Bush administration gained a reputation in Asia for distraction and an overemphasis on security. Meanwhile, China has supplanted the U.S. as the top or leading trading partner of Japan, South Korea and the ASEAN nations. The Chinese economy, a decade ago only slightly larger than Italy's, is on track to next year surpass Japan's, the world's No. 2.


Chief among Obama's goals on the trip will be to make "vividly clear to the peoples of Asia that the U.S. is here to stay in Asia," Jeffrey Bader, Obama's top Asia adviser, said at a public event in Washington on Friday. "As Asia continues to grow and as new groupings and structures take shape, the U.S. will be a player and participant on the ground floor, not a distant spectator."

In Japan, where Obama and his election inspired the public, it looks like the president will have his most difficult stop.

Prime Minister Hatoyama won election on an Obama-like message of change. But he's begun rethinking the U.S.-Japan alliance in which Tokyo has often felt itself the junior partner. He proposed the East Asian community that initially excluded the U.S., though he has since sidestepped the issue.

His government plans to end Japan's Indian Ocean refueling mission that supports U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan. His review of the agreement on basing 47,000 U.S. troops in Japan has caused particular tension, chiefly over relocating Futenma Marine air field on Okinawa. The U.S. has agreed to a more remote location on the island while Hatoyama has suggested moving the forces off the island. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates last month demanded Tokyo not put off resolving the issue until next year as Hatoyama has hinted.

In China, sizable distrust over trade tensions, Tibet and other human rights issues and Beijing's robust military buildup are likely to be papered over.

The Obama administration has tried to set a more constructive, cooperative tone for relations, calling Beijing a needed partner in tackling global issues like the economic downturn and climate change. The governments have identified clean energy as ripe for cooperation.

Chief among Obama's tasks in Beijing will be to establish the kind of trust that President Hu Jintao had with George W. Bush, according to Chinese scholars. China reacted angrily to recent U.S. moves to impose punitive tariffs to stem surging imports of low-cost Chinese-made tires, seeing it as reneging on Obama's promise earlier this year not to resort to protectionism during the economic crisis.


By CHARLES HUTZLER, Associated Press

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