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Poll: Can we manage without Google ?

This topic has been un-sticky by szh at 2010-4-7 11:14.

Poll: Can we manage without Google ?

Since its highly-toned launch in Chinese market in Mid-2005, Google.cn has actually embarked on a political venture in selling out the American values and ideas and even trying to twist the Chinese laws and policies governing its Internet managemant. As a well-established multinational and a giant leading the industry, Google sets a very bad precedent and ruins its image in the minds of its Chinese consumers by acting as an "Agent" for the U.S. politicians and interest groups, and even acting on the instructions of CIA.

But black is black, much the way as the laws and policies of a sovereign state cannot be bent just to curry the foreign favor.

It is not the matter Google styles itself as superb and unchallenged. It's up to the consumers in China to recognize the popularity of foreign companies.

Foreign businesses should neither take advantage of consumers' trust and dependence on their products and services, nor use that as a bargaining chip or threaten to pull out.


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Poll:    Can we do without Google  ?

                                                Yes                                     No



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I had google.com as my default search engine because it got me hits in English. I teach English and need material for my lesson plans. Now that I'm shunted ove to google.com.hk, most hits are a mix of Chinese and English, which makes it time-consuming to find material for my lesson plans, so now I use Bing, Ixquick and SurfCanyon.

Sometimes, I use google.fr (French) and google.se (Swedish); both seem unaffected.

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Co-founder's memories of Soviet repression spurred Google's decison to quit China
Google co-founder Sergey Brin Source: Bloomberg

BEHIND Google's dramatic decision to close its China-based search engine this week was co-founder Sergey Brin's change of heart about the compromises required to do business in a land that was increasingly reminding him of his native Soviet Union.
The beginning of that change came just after the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, Mr Brin said in an interview about the China decision.


As the glow of the Olympics faded, he said, the Chinese government began cranking up its web censorship and interfering more with Google's business.


Around that time, he said, the murky rules of doing business in China grew even murkier.
"China was ever-present," he said. "One out of five meetings I attended had some component that applied to China in a different way than other countries."



Mr Brin said he was also moved by growing evidence in China of repressive behaviour he remembered from the Soviet Union, which he and his parents fled when he was six years old.
He said memories of that time - having his home visited by Russian police; the anti-Semitic discrimination against his father - emboldened his view that it was time to abandon Google's policy.


China has "made great strides against poverty and whatnot," Mr Brin said. "But nevertheless, in some aspects of their policy, particularly with respect to censorship, with respect to surveillance of dissidents, I see the same earmarks of totalitarianism, and I find that personally quite troubling."


On January 12, Google said it would stop self-censoring its search engine in China, citing cyber-attacks it believes were motivated by an attempt to spy on Chinese activists' emails.
On Monday, Google implemented that policy, routing mainland users of its search engine to a site in Hong Kong that the company wasn't censoring.


The cyber attacks were the "straw that broke the camel's back," Mr Brin said. A heated debate in the company about whether to cease censoring ensued, say people familiar with the matter.
Mr Brin and other executives prevailed over chief executive Eric Schmidt and others who felt that Google ought to stay the course in China to continue to push its principles from the inside, say people familiar with the discussions.


"We did have a long conversation about it, several long conversations," Mr Brin said. "We heard all the arguments."
When asked if Mr Schmidt and co-founder Larry Page were available for comment, a Google spokeswoman said Mr Brin was speaking on behalf of the company.


What's next for Google in China is uncertain.


Its business is in jeopardy. Some partners - like Hong Kong media company TOM Group - dropped their search agreements with Google, citing the need to abide by Chinese law.


Employees are contemplating defecting to rivals like Microsoft, according to recruiters.
Beijing has called the move "totally wrong" and internet experts are sceptical that China will let Google continue to route traffic from its China site to Hong Kong.


While Google isn't censoring that site, China's routine Internet filters are blocking some results for users in China.
Mr Brin's doubts over Google's early agreement to censor in China hark back to his childhood in the Soviet Union, which he and his family left in 1979 to escape anti-Semitism.

Mr Brin was six, but he said he is reminded of the constant fear of surveillance through memories such as police visiting his family's apartment to question his parents after they made the decision to emigrate.

To this day, Mr Brin said, he and his family often reflect on the significance of the move. His father, he said, wanted to be an astrophysicist, but because of ethnic discrimination became a mathematician. He relished the freedom to pursue "his own entrepreneurial dreams," he said. His father became a professor of mathematics at the University of Maryland.


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Mr Brin's decision was all his own versions of faults that live inside his own body and mentally abrasive if people attentively read his lines of unfruitful defense and excuses. It is just as well better for Google to leave behind him a story of fluke_shot that has made it to the world net.  Imagine a guy who ran away from his 'home' to call his 'home' a rat_shit Russia; while telling to a world of people that his current ‘home address’ is an angel that is allowed to go on killing, destroying and censoring in all sorts of manners as though a sort of satanic freedom allows it to do so!
When stopped, these bloody hypocrites try to bite hard and buck like a pariah dog in challenges!   


What a shitty hypocrite who refuses to respect laws and rules of a host nation while preferring to play ‘cowboys and red_indians in battle fields’! By mathematical term, he should NOT have been brought up the way he is behaving, isn’t it?

  

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Here in the United States we applaud Google's decision to stop filtering it's search engine in order to abide by Chinese law. Our most sacred traditions are Freedom and Liberty, and the free flow of information is critical to allow these traditions to flourish.
Why are the Chinese so angry at Google for following it's conscience? If your government refuses to allow Google to participate within the Chinese ecconomy, then the Chinese People should simply create another search engine according to it's rules, or use one of the many search engines which follow the laws.

But I would greatly value an answer from typical Chinese english speaking users of this forum on this subject.

Thank You
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Original posted by water00boy at 2010-3-25 18:59
Here in the United States we applaud Google's decision to stop filtering it's search engine in order to abide by Chinese law. Our most sacred traditions are Freedom and Liberty, and the free flow of i ...
If you visit your neighbor's house, you'd better be a nice guest, right ? If you defy the host's feelings and stress only your own way, trying to indulge yourself in other people's home, you will be kicked out. At least, you'll be unwelcome.  

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Guest or Parrot?

If my guest only parrots what I say, the conversation will be most boring and unfruitful.

Guests who bring their own opinions are most welcome.

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If I can't speak in your home

You better stay alone and mutter to yourself all day.

Bye bye.

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I know what you mean. When you are a guest, you should abide by the "house rules". It's sort of like when the Chinese are caught spying in the United States, everybody here gets very upset! Well, I guess it's good-bye Google then. I understand it needs to be taught a lesson!
But don't the Chinese want the free flow of information? Don't they want to know what goes on in other parts of the world??

Thanks for answering me, Kingkong. Call me Alex

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"water00boy 's Our most sacred traditions are Freedom and Liberty, and the free flow of information is critical to allow these traditions to flourish."

1/  Why did water00boy has to go after bin laden and saddam if your Freedom and Liberty are so free & valid?

2/  Why was your free flow of information did NOT get it right in the instance when Iraq had to be bombed out with million dead and injured which is so critical to allow these bloody traditions to flourish in your bloody hands and self inflicted endless nightmares drumming within your chests?

3/  Why didn't cons and cheats get freedom & the liberty to celebrate instead of life term in jails for cheating by the USD billions; while the lists can go on to the moon and back?

Google can certainly go its own way with liberty and freedom according to Chinese freedom and liberty label; and one guesses with certainty that China will not regret a bit of it for after all a naughty and nutty boy is too naive to learn!

Good luck to Baidu and Microsoft; but a miserable adios to "water00boy" !

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Dear Alex,

We want the free flow of information, but not the one fabricated and twisted by a CIA-connected and self-centered source. As a matter of fact, the Chinese know much more about the Western world than they do to us.  

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